tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5448945793000726573.post5180745239088821690..comments2024-03-27T01:52:24.989-06:00Comments on JeremyHoward.net: Good Mythical Morning: Not Christian ProgrammingJeremy Howardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03835379626475078911noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5448945793000726573.post-35955676173362282792022-05-07T18:28:56.960-06:002022-05-07T18:28:56.960-06:00Holy sht. That's world-class ignorance on full...Holy sht. That's world-class ignorance on full display. I've heard it's bliss. ;-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5448945793000726573.post-73687450597829076232022-02-01T19:44:00.864-06:002022-02-01T19:44:00.864-06:00The authority of Scripture either is- or is not. ...The authority of Scripture either is- or is not. This applies to all it teaches, including the age and origin of the earth. Russ Westbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09624660952101282477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5448945793000726573.post-43941884857017702482021-12-24T02:00:02.081-06:002021-12-24T02:00:02.081-06:00SrySryAugusthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14536022265987246975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5448945793000726573.post-84182392011422243172021-12-24T01:56:33.826-06:002021-12-24T01:56:33.826-06:00PrunePruneAugusthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14536022265987246975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5448945793000726573.post-63386607688487679932021-07-30T13:33:03.878-06:002021-07-30T13:33:03.878-06:00To the first Anon - at what point did the original...To the first Anon - at what point did the original comment poster say that they were not friends anymore? Looks like you made an assumption there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5448945793000726573.post-56156151238587007672021-04-22T16:52:36.091-06:002021-04-22T16:52:36.091-06:00Replying Anonymous again,
Sorry last one.
Part 4
...Replying Anonymous again,<br />Sorry last one. <br />Part 4<br /><br />As Jesus told doubting Thomas there will be those who believe wothout ever having seen (no evidence) and they will be really happy. Christianity is a heart thing something that no one but you and God has access to in a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. I beg my fellow believers to be just as patient and loving and God has been to us so that those who do not believe will be influenced by our actions and good examples to respect other's views just as we (should) respect theirs. As Christians we're not perfect but ought to strive to be as Christlike as possible until that which is perfect has come.<br /><br />*Note* Sorry if this was too long and redundant but I find it easier to make your point and reduce misunderstandings by reiterating one's concepts and ideas again and again in a slightly different way.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5448945793000726573.post-33018620664130763272021-04-22T16:50:49.291-06:002021-04-22T16:50:49.291-06:00Ah, Replying Anonymous here again.Sorry. There'...Ah, Replying Anonymous here again.Sorry. There's a limit on the characters. <br />Part 3<br />You mentioned problems with the bible when really, it's problems with the Christian Community. Christians ought to live out their own faith not force it on others. Even Jesus told his disciples that if people were unwilling to listen that they should spend no more time on them but move on. Yet He didn't say not to love them. He didn't say that they couldn't continue to be a light wihtout succesfully converting the people that they went to preach to. Christians have a hard time with continuing on their way with a cheerful loving heart if they are rejected. Sinful nature at work prompting pride arrogance and so forth. It is not the job os Christians to sufficiently demonstrate that he exists because it is actually impossible. One cannot prove with any of the earthly or nonearthly methods that Jesus Christ existed and stills exists. That is not the job of a Christian. Christians ought to live the life of a Christian by acting as a Godfearing Christian ought. A Christian does not need to do much more than that. You mentioned that a Christian needs more than just faith to convince anyone of God's existence. A Christian's faith will not change someones mind but a Christian's Godly actions might. Note, that it might not that it will. For all Christians who believe in predestination, there is not need to convince a person of God's existence. If a person was predestined then it is God's will for them to become a Christian in His time so other believers need not fret about it. Nothing that a Christian says or does will ever change the mind of a person. Only the Almighty powerful God that all Christians cling to can do that. Christians are to be lights to others at all times and be prayerful while God does the rest.<br /><br />The person who wrote this article did exactly what Rhett and Link asked him not to do. He jumped to what Christians call a Godly conclusion. In my opinion they were never Christians either but if God has or hasn't called them should be of no importance to a Christian. One should be able to look at a Christian and say..."I see no ill will in them." If a person does think ill of a Christian it ought to be the person's own sin nature not the Christian's inability to be a Godly role model. Christians should be seen as passive and slow to anger but on fire and fervent about their own relationship with the Lord. Yet Christians just like any other person are sinners. Being a sinner causes Christians to present themselves as arrogant, proud, far from loving and terrible advocates of the existing God. Christians hurt their brothers, sisters, and fellow sinners when pride and a lack of understanding are incolved. True Christians are believers from the heart and don't need to prove it. It's when Christians feel threatened and vulneralbe that they start trying to find evidence to back up their beliefs when really, its uncalled for and only gives Christianity (for lack of a better word) a "bad rap." I myself am a Christian, though I know that in many areas I fail to act like one. Yet, I do believe that Christians are called by God himself and are to serve as an encouraging but not forceful light unto our fellow creations made by God.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5448945793000726573.post-31606336760584494532021-04-22T16:47:44.146-06:002021-04-22T16:47:44.146-06:00I'm the replyimg annoymous again. Ha. I didnt ...I'm the replyimg annoymous again. Ha. I didnt have enough room.<br /> Part2<br />Furthermore, Christians tend to shove a bible into the face of anyone viewed as needing conversion. Yet a the book itself does not talk, feel, or love. It simply does not have that ability. There were Christians, Paul, Peter and others who were roaming the earth well before the bible as we know it today was created. Even when it was put together, hardly anyone had their own personal bible to read from but that obviously did not put a damper of Christianity. Some were alive during the time before advanced technology and innovations like hearing aids, and braille.Christians cannot say that they were cut off from the kingdom of heaven can they? (Well they can say it but shouldn't). Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5448945793000726573.post-66247089254948703072021-04-22T16:42:19.478-06:002021-04-22T16:42:19.478-06:00So Ano, I'm not trying to persuade you one way...So Ano, I'm not trying to persuade you one way or the other (Sorry, I'm sure you get that alot). But I want to point out a few things. What you are saying is actually very true. There is no way, I repeat, no way for anyone to prove that God exists. Yet, there isn't really any way to prove the evolution theory either. One can say that neither or both exist but no one can prove anything. Yet Christians do tend to try and prove God and faith to other people when in reality it cannot be done. There is always a way to disprove or argue against any earthly or non-earthly (whatever that is) evidence that we humans find. Christians cannot and should not try to prove anything to anyone. It will only frustrate both sides as their forcefullness pushes away people instead of drawing them. More often than not Christians show more pride and arrogance than what one would expect of someone teaching and promoting peace and love. Why wouldn't people shun Christianity and the idea of a God when the people who claim to be his followers are not living out what they teach? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5448945793000726573.post-76192212171116545262020-12-09T10:12:15.672-06:002020-12-09T10:12:15.672-06:00"If your child was born gay, would you stop l..."If your child was born gay, would you stop loving it? Would you kick it out to live on the street?"<br /><br />Children are people made in the image of God. Please don't refer to a child of mine as an "it"; our preferred pronouns correspond with reality.Jeremy Howardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03835379626475078911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5448945793000726573.post-60354826461071677192020-12-09T09:13:09.278-06:002020-12-09T09:13:09.278-06:00Agree w/1st Anon. If you can't be friends with...Agree w/1st Anon. If you can't be friends with someone who doesn't believe in the same ancient text as you, you're a pretty sh*t friend. Roséhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08997925684807407940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5448945793000726573.post-86396665288841092632020-12-09T09:10:40.829-06:002020-12-09T09:10:40.829-06:00I think you've missed the mark here quite a bi...I think you've missed the mark here quite a bit. As someone who grew up in a religious household, grew up loving and worshipping Christ and then finally, after many years, realized that it was all a lie and a scam, I came to many of the same conclusions that R&L and other people who leave christianity do as well. I begged, I cried. I prayed for weeks and weeks for God to just give me a sign that he was there and that he loved me and that he wanted me in his fold, but I never received anything. And I realize in YOUR blind faith that "there is no amount of evidence that you deserve." But I think that's a commonly used copout in religion and I think we DO deserve to know that God supposedly loves us. <br />And as far as your narrow-minded, hate-filled views on <br />"popular forms of immorality (LGBT issues, abortion, etc.)," get a fucking life. Homosexuals are just normal human being like your Nana or your pastor or your children. If your child was born gay, would you stop loving it? Would you kick it out to live on the street? That wouldn't seem very "christian" to me. <br />The Bible is a thousands year old book that has been re-translated time and time and time and TIME AGAIN. Most of the actual language in there doesn't even exist anymore. <br />More than anything, the Bible is a book of fables. Precautionary tales that teach you to be a better person on this earth and kind to the people around you. And isn't that what God, if he's actually out there, would want? Roséhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08997925684807407940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5448945793000726573.post-26706207782697107322020-11-29T23:07:53.431-06:002020-11-29T23:07:53.431-06:00Well said. I was on staff with Campus Crusade at ...Well said. I was on staff with Campus Crusade at the time Rhett and Link were and knew them. I can not say that based on that, that these guys had a relationship with Christ or did not have one. You can memorize the bible and know the right things to say and have the "appearance of genuine faith" yet not know Christ personally. With that being said, I am disappointed and sad for them and I still love these guys. However, I am also praying that God brings them to the point of seeing their need for Christ and their need to repent and be saved. Or turn back to Him for a true authentic relationship with Christ.Beachbum1024https://www.blogger.com/profile/02872291264219765493noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5448945793000726573.post-52695024429780997002020-07-10T09:25:26.803-06:002020-07-10T09:25:26.803-06:00Why do people think that preempting a response mea...Why do people think that preempting a response means defeating the aforementioned response?<br /><br />If I say, “I bet the police will arrest me if I steal something from that store,” and subsequently follow through with the theft, that does not make the police wrong for arresting me. I can’t say, “see... I told you they would arrest me,” as if that somehow demonizes them for following through with a judgment that is ordered and perpetuated by a particular worldview.<br /><br />Yet, since Rhett and Link have preempted what the Christian community would say about their eternal salvation, atheists and agnostics find their, (Rhett and Link’s), comments to sit in authority over the Christian worldview, as if their prediction of the response somehow makes the response immoral or false.<br /><br />The logic does not follow.<br /><br />Additionally, it is hard to claim that you “had a relationship” with a God who you now believe does not exist. We always hear, “Jesus was real to me,” from those who apostatize, but their present state clarified that what they have experienced and continue to experience is not the same as what other Christians have. <br /><br />There is a line in the sand. Rhett even said he had to reconcile that what he believed was wrong, but if that’s the case, he also must be honest about the fact that what he thought was a relationship, was never really a relationship.<br /><br />For instance, my grandmother has passed away, I no longer experience her, but we did have a relationship. My experience proves her existence, it doesn’t disprove it. <br /><br />If I choose to deny that my grandmother has ever existed, I choose to overlook that relationship, yet the relationship, (however deep or shallow), is what proved her existence.<br /><br />Rhett cannot say he had a relationship with Jesus without proving His, (Jesus’s), existence, yet if he now says the relationship was all a figment of his imagination, he proves the author of this blog right. In that case, Rhett never had a relationship with Jesus, he just thought he did.<br /><br />In the latter case, he has not disproved God by his experience, he has only validated what the Bible says about those among us who leave the faith... they were never really “of” us.<br /><br />1 John 2:19Nick Swobodahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09527537829579267005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5448945793000726573.post-78010098565499285022020-05-09T15:50:08.198-06:002020-05-09T15:50:08.198-06:00It's not loving to call someone who doesn'...It's not loving to call someone who doesn't believe in your fairy tale a "blasphemer." It's negative and is the dark side of mythology.antiemphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00240650432987237051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5448945793000726573.post-88844268949881118522020-05-09T15:48:58.392-06:002020-05-09T15:48:58.392-06:00People reject it because it's not real. It'...People reject it because it's not real. It's as simple as that. Community and family are valuable, but we don't need mythology to support it. We're growing out of that phase of humanity where we had to lie to ourselves to keep going and face death.antiemphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00240650432987237051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5448945793000726573.post-90260449674903416362020-05-02T23:41:18.890-06:002020-05-02T23:41:18.890-06:00I think a lot of times that we Christians can some...I think a lot of times that we Christians can sometimes misinterpret or forget what God truly is to us. God is our Father in Heaven. As any father would to their child, He LOVES us. That is what is most important. No matter what Rhett and Link did, He will still love them. And that also applies to anybody who reads this and everybody who doesn't. We don't have to sit here arguing about what they did wrong. What we can and should discuss is what we can do to prevent such things from ever happening again, and how can we get so many of His lost sheep, His children, our spiritual brothers and sisters, back to His fold.Cletushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11277157704203351155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5448945793000726573.post-81827345773968156762020-04-22T19:36:10.959-06:002020-04-22T19:36:10.959-06:00Great article...thank you. I'm left wondering ...Great article...thank you. I'm left wondering how these guys could be on staff with Cru. Has that organization gone so downhill that they have people on staff that really aren't Christians?KPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05597785645138456125noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5448945793000726573.post-80730183538620455072020-03-05T20:05:54.152-06:002020-03-05T20:05:54.152-06:00Why do you hate the God you don't believe in?
...Why do you hate the God you don't believe in?<br /><br />And what evidence could anyone give you to believe in the God that says you have enough evidence to believe in Him?<br /><br />Unless of course, God does exist and has given you sufficient evidence to repent and believe in Him (Romans 1:18-22)Mattnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5448945793000726573.post-67143351255539041482020-03-05T20:02:16.791-06:002020-03-05T20:02:16.791-06:00"thinking of the gospel in new ways"
Th..."thinking of the gospel in new ways"<br /><br />That's certainly a new way to phrase "secular humanism". It seems that you're the one asserting things without backing anything up.<br /><br />The only thing Rhett & Link realized was that they wanted to both trade God in for secularism, and not have actual Christians wisely discern their fruit. They (and really all people) can't have it both ways.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5448945793000726573.post-4294842272706778532020-03-05T19:54:42.951-06:002020-03-05T19:54:42.951-06:00"Listen to people and love people."
Acc..."Listen to people and love people."<br /><br />According to what standard? By God's standard, yes that is true. But what is your objective moral standard?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5448945793000726573.post-86545657422969694252020-03-05T19:51:44.088-06:002020-03-05T19:51:44.088-06:00This was lovingly and wonderfully written, thank y...This was lovingly and wonderfully written, thank you for sharing it.<br /><br />The only other thing I would add for your readers is this:<br /><br />"They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us."<br /><br />- 1 John 2:19BenBRockNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10029660446874653395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5448945793000726573.post-42391110690683564582020-03-04T19:35:32.649-06:002020-03-04T19:35:32.649-06:00Christians are cannibals. They eat their wounded.Christians are cannibals. They eat their wounded.Ivanionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11265144254818283763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5448945793000726573.post-63299506423746679302020-03-04T15:11:08.963-06:002020-03-04T15:11:08.963-06:00If you actually cared about your friend, you would...If you actually cared about your friend, you would still be his friend whether he is "saved" or not. If religion was the only reason you were friends then you were never friends in the first place. Sorry to use your own logic against you. People aren't projects. Listen to people and love people. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5448945793000726573.post-88166673807972840912020-03-04T13:37:12.957-06:002020-03-04T13:37:12.957-06:00As a fellow blasphemer, let me introduce you to a ...As a fellow blasphemer, let me introduce you to a concept you've likely never considered: the Christian God, by default, does not exist. It is up to believers to make a claim that demonstrates sufficiently that he indeed does exist. Alvin Plantinga does this philosophically. William Lane Craig attempts to do this cosmologically. You attempted to do this dogmatically. Wildly asserting that God exists and quoting your own supporting Bible to do so is circular, and idiotic. The Quran states Allah exists. The Vega "prove" the existence of Hindu gods. You have to do better than assertions. And you know what's better than faith based assertions? Evidence. And in this article, you present none.<br /><br />To your second pseudo-point, you may want to read some Biblical scholars who aren't paid to actually believe the stuff they research. I'm sure you'd explain away all of the silly contradictions in the gospels (differing geneologies, birth narratives, death narratives, Jesus's disposition, death narratives, resurrection narratives, etc.) but that really wouldn't even scratch the surface of the problems with the Bible. The only people who can't seem to admit there are problems are people like you who somehow come to the nonsense conclusion that they're inerrant. You're gonna need more than just faith to convince anyone (who is intellectually honest and cares that about being right) of that bold claim.<br /><br />Third, yes, they're blasphemers. And you, the loving, kind, merciful Christian who claims the authority of the savior Jesus meek and mild, just said they should be stoned for what they say. Nothing makes me less willing to be a Christian or have "faith" like a naive child than quoting violent, unjustifiable Stone Age propaganda.<br /><br />You may be able to believe things without evidence and you may even consider that a virtue, but I refuse. This article has given me even further reason to doubt; the best thing you could've done would've been to actually refute the arguments and evidence they present with your own. Instead you responded with dogma and judgment. Thank you for once again convincing me that life outside the guilt-ridden, "faith"-based, irrational, and happily violent cult is intellectually, morally, and honestly superior.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com